Comments on: Messages From Home https://briankoberlein.com/2015/04/02/messages-from-home/ Brian Koberlein Fri, 22 Feb 2019 18:22:15 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.1 By: The Ethical Skeptic https://briankoberlein.com/2015/04/02/messages-from-home/#comment-2580 Mon, 20 Jul 2015 21:07:39 +0000 https://briankoberlein.com/?p=4657#comment-2580 The sky is not ‘strangely quiet.’ That extraordinary claim is simply a Fast Emotional Burst (FEB) stemming from our frustrated disgust after searching an infinitesimally small sample of EM Spectrum, lines of sight, technology assumptions, window of technological applicability, civilization progression and time. We did not win the $750 million Lotto on the first try with one ticket so we gave up in disgust, rationalizing that the money does not indeed actually exist. Such reality is reiterated recently in interviews by Frank Drake himself concerning SETI.

Mark you are correct that, given our current best models of the universe, we should develop constructs along the need to consider (parsimoniously of course) a life-among-the-stars alternative. It is not irrational at all. The key is not, as this blog has done, to proclaim loudly that one already has the answer, and that it is a resounding NO!!! Where did we gain the enormous amounts of data to make this conclusion to the scientific method? Rather we should ask, ‘What do I need to do in order to develop this, and the other more likely alternatives into actual hypotheses?’ and ‘What is the next critical path question to be asked under the Scientific Method?’ Until we are able to do that, loud proclamations are simply counter-rhetoric. But I do agree, we possess nowhere near a confidence interval establishing level of data on any of the supposed measures. We have to wait.

I hear less about the alien postulate from the whacked fringe than I do of it from the so-called skeptic community, who appear to be enormously fixated on decrying the option within hours of each FRB intercept. In my experience in science, people who practice this type of thought control (albeit in more conventional hypothesis reductions) do not last long in their jobs.

It is never science to simply presume, declare and walk away – no matter how ludicrous the alternative set under consideration might have been 100 years ago, or in a religious dark age.

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By: Mark Granger https://briankoberlein.com/2015/04/02/messages-from-home/#comment-2416 Mon, 01 Jun 2015 22:37:36 +0000 https://briankoberlein.com/?p=4657#comment-2416 I agree with your article and your closing paragraph with one exception. Finding a signal that was determined to from an alien intelligence would not be “science fiction” because it would fit with our current best theories of the universe. It is odd that we have not found any signals from aliens. The sky is strangely quiet. The cause of that silence means one of two things: Our basic assumptions and theories of the universe are wrong or there is a reason that could only be described as “science fiction”.

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By: Outofthebox https://briankoberlein.com/2015/04/02/messages-from-home/#comment-2369 Wed, 20 May 2015 12:29:09 +0000 https://briankoberlein.com/?p=4657#comment-2369 Nothing discussed here is ‘my field’ of expertise. However, I wish to create some thinking outside the box. We are assuming that if this a ‘alien broadcast’, the number in reference is 187.5. Therefore we are assuming a decimal system. Have not many scientists acknowledged values of a Octal system? It’s just that 3/16’s is 0.1875 or 1500 / 8 = 187.5. Under a pure Octal system 2734 / 10 = 352.3 Maybe these are the numbers and system of mathematical significance. In our own attempts to send message out did we not all agree on simple binary codes? So is there binary significance of the octal number of 352.3? So in summary and viewed mathematically, is it a decimal number related to 3/16’s or 1500 / 8 etc? or should we shed light on the number as being Octal 352.3(8) or binary 011101010…

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By: TinHelmet https://briankoberlein.com/2015/04/02/messages-from-home/#comment-2187 Tue, 07 Apr 2015 14:11:51 +0000 https://briankoberlein.com/?p=4657#comment-2187 Don’t joke about those Space Nazis. They are watching us now…

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By: uscricklewood https://briankoberlein.com/2015/04/02/messages-from-home/#comment-2186 Tue, 07 Apr 2015 11:30:39 +0000 https://briankoberlein.com/?p=4657#comment-2186 Thanks for the blog post. I read the paper, and one of the referenced papers on the first FRB, and while I accept your argument that this is most likely not the result of an ETI (terrestrial EM interference has my money), I’m just curious about if it was, what could it actually be? If I understand the physics properly (which I’m pretty sure I don’t – undergraduate physics only gets you so far!), then it would be something quite odd. Doesn’t the DM indicate distance, and so the size of the smallest FRB DM (187.5 x 2) indicates it is from another galaxy? But the other DMs are multiples of 187.5, so then aren’t they from huge distances away from each other – inter-galactic distances? So what kind of thing would they represent – a set of chirp beacons spread out over several galaxies that go off every few years. What you be the point of that? Correct me if I’m wrong.

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By: Brian Koberlein https://briankoberlein.com/2015/04/02/messages-from-home/#comment-2179 Sun, 05 Apr 2015 15:22:13 +0000 https://briankoberlein.com/?p=4657#comment-2179 In the graph the authors cluster the points by integers of 187.5, hence the deviations from an exact straight line.

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By: James McDonald https://briankoberlein.com/2015/04/02/messages-from-home/#comment-2178 Sat, 04 Apr 2015 16:51:35 +0000 https://briankoberlein.com/?p=4657#comment-2178 I thought the DM was calculated as a linear function of the delay. If so, why aren’t the points on the graph exactly on a straight line? Could that be due to the rounding of the DM alluded to above?

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By: Rick https://briankoberlein.com/2015/04/02/messages-from-home/#comment-2177 Sat, 04 Apr 2015 14:55:11 +0000 https://briankoberlein.com/?p=4657#comment-2177 I found a description of a 187.5 Mhz clock oscillator on the web– seems to be a common device. I wonder if that’s a coincidence?

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By: Brian Koberlein https://briankoberlein.com/2015/04/02/messages-from-home/#comment-2173 Fri, 03 Apr 2015 14:30:03 +0000 https://briankoberlein.com/?p=4657#comment-2173 Actually, circular polarization isn’t that unusual.

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By: ragooman https://briankoberlein.com/2015/04/02/messages-from-home/#comment-2172 Fri, 03 Apr 2015 14:08:21 +0000 https://briankoberlein.com/?p=4657#comment-2172 What about the issue regarding the circular polarization of that signal[however small]. I understand this polarization is quite rare to be naturally occurring signal[astronomically speaking]. From what I read, the galaxy medium tends to permit only linear polarized signals.

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By: Brian Koberlein https://briankoberlein.com/2015/04/02/messages-from-home/#comment-2171 Fri, 03 Apr 2015 11:48:24 +0000 https://briankoberlein.com/?p=4657#comment-2171 I agree the data is interesting, but not particularly compelling. It certainly doesn’t merit speculating about some “alien” message.

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By: Brian Koberlein https://briankoberlein.com/2015/04/02/messages-from-home/#comment-2170 Fri, 03 Apr 2015 11:47:13 +0000 https://briankoberlein.com/?p=4657#comment-2170 That’s interesting…

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